![]() 223's there is ALWAYS one or two people that feel the need to post their opinions on the effectiveness of the round even though it's not the topic. I don't quite understand why on every post concerning subsonic. Remington Subsonics definitely sound the best but they are so unreliable that I don't even bother with them anymore. I was using Federal Target which is standard velocity but when the snow started to fly these rounds started going supersonic. Where I am at this ammo stays subsonic even in the colder temps. Out of my CZ rifle (16" barrel) I use CCI standard velocity. Out of my Buckmark pistol I shoot Federal bulk high velocity. Originally Posted By: KYshooter338Originally Posted By: IrelanderOriginally Posted By: Outsydlooknin75Federal Bulk. What ammo are you shooting in standard velocity? Subsonics are going to be more quiet but standard ammo is not going to sound the same suppressed vs not suppressed. Its got a shorter barrel then your CZ rifle. I shoot standard ammo out of my Walter P22 with suppressor and its still pretty quiet. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd like to know why I'm wrong. I just fugured it would be the same type of deal with the. But use subsonic and it's as quiet as a mouse. 22 rifle it is just as loud as without the suppressor. Well, I know that when I shoot high velocity ammo in my suppressed CZ. So, yes, obviously subsonic ammo is quieter than supersonic, but how this relates to your 223 cannot be directly compared to your 22LR. In a small little CQB pit shooting at targets 10yds away the sonic crack can still ring your ears a little bit just because it's reflecting off the target so close to you. If you are using it on a 50yd+ range then you'll be just fine without earpro. Your suppressor will knock that down to hearing safe levels even if you do still hear the sonic crack. However with a 223 (particularly in shorter barreled AR's) there is a LOT of muzzle blast and that is what deafens you. Try subsonic 22LR in an unsuppressed 22LR and it's fairly quiet. ![]() Even with a suppressor most of what you hear is the sonic crack. With a 22LR in a rifle length barrel there is very little heard muzzle blast in the first place. Just shoot the damn thing and you will be fine. Why is it that when people get cans they immediately think that they need subsonic ammo? You wont find a subsonic round that is going to cycle the action of an AR unless you go to a 300 whisper or something of that nature. ![]() Originally Posted By: IrelanderOriginally Posted By: Outsydlooknin75Federal Bulk. The 223 is designed to travel 3000 fps and works great with a can, but if you want quiet either go with a 22 LR or build a whisper. It is intended ONLY for barrels up to 14½".it occasionally sticks in the barrel of a 16" carbine.I hear you on the full power ammo with a can. This uses the same 100grn bullet but uses 8grns of powder and a small foam filler. ![]() Powder (25grns) looks like Vihavouri.ĮS also produce a round that will not cycle the action- different folks like different things. Accuracy is adequate for it's intended mission out to 100m or so.īullet is filled with Tungsten carbide- so not cheep. Has cycled reliably in all the rifles I have tried it in- 1960's vintage M16, Current M4, HK 416 and ruger Mini 14.īullet (on the new stuff) weighs 100grns (old was 127grn) which is marginal on stability. Out of 16" barrels like our test HK 416's.it is often just supersonic (1180fps) but a few civi spec 16 barrels it stays just below the speed of sound. It is designed to be subsonic in a mil spec 14½" barrel- it is. It works as advertised within a narrow window.
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